Skip to main content

Reply to this post | Go Back
View Post [edit]

Poster: mattwj2005 Date: Oct 21, 2009 6:35am
Forum: texts Subject: Question about the Scanning Service

I have a question about the scanning service. If I get something scanned how do I get my book back? I am sure to get something scanned I just have it shipped to you, but will you have it shipped back to me? Just figured I would ask.

Regards,

Matt

Reply to this post
Reply [edit]

Poster: garthus Date: Oct 21, 2009 6:59pm
Forum: texts Subject: Re: Question about the Scanning Service

Matt,

Forget about those page turning scanners. I use a single pass double sided scanner, which can be had for between 500 to $1000 US. Slice the booklet between 1/4" to 1/8" from the spine and just place the pages on the scanner. I just did a 200 page Caterpillar Manual in about 20 minutes this way today. Scanning the book or magazine without slicing it is a terrible waste of time. Sacrificing the book is well worth the gift to the world of digitizing it (incidently you get a much better scan of the page by separting it from the book). And I then donate the books anyway to people who are happy to take them even sliced up. If you are talking about the PS, I would be willing to scan them myself, and would return them to you as I think they would be an important addition to the archive.

Gerry

Gerry

Reply to this post
Reply [edit]

Poster: stbalbach Date: Oct 21, 2009 7:13pm
Forum: texts Subject: Re: Question about the Scanning Service

What tool do you use to slice books? I agree it's the best way to go, I figured it would be costly to do so, industrial cutter machine.

Stephen

Reply to this post
Reply [edit]

Poster: Time Traveller Date: Oct 21, 2009 7:42pm
Forum: texts Subject: Re: Question about the Scanning Service

I have never come across a binding that can not be destroyed by simple means, old books have a thread stitched binding, try a scalpel on the threads.

being a woodworker and lateral thinking, how about clamping (or cramping)the book between two pieces of wood to stiffen the pages, then using a sanding machine (fixed belt sander)to sand away the binding.

Get two bits of ply or manufactured board, larger than the book, on the 3 sides opposite the binding, outside the book, drill holes and use small machine screws and nuts to clamp the boards together with book trapped in between.

Locally telephone directorys are prepared for recycling by community groups, that use a band saw to cut off the binding. (apparently, the binding was preventing the paper being repulped)

Also check out special band saw blades, the one I am thinking of, is non-toothed, stainless steel, with a knife edge.

Black and Decker has (had?) what they called a "Work Wheel" with a small diameter circular cutting blade, amongst things, it was advertised to cut carpet, cloth and cardboard. From memory, it had a choice of wheels including non-toothed knife edge. I suggest you got to Google Books, Popular Mechanic Magazine, round about the '80s and read the article about the new "invention"

As for Matt,
1, I am sure you always get your original book back, unless you specify otherwise.

2, but if you read the conditions of doing business with a book scanner org, you will certainly see they will accept no liability for any loss of, or to your original book, even during shipping to them, and return.

3, As you want the book back, highly likely you dont want it destroyed by have the binding cut, so you might be stuck with going to a commercial scanner if the book wont open flat, Google Books have a scanner that corrects for such books, you might want to check out Popular Mechanics or Popular Science on line, maybe "how Stuff Works)as less than a year ago, one or other explained how Googles scanner works.

4, One issue with going commercial, here in NZ, no double elsewhere too, print shops are very suspicious of possible copyright breach when asked to print out a digital file. I have had 3 PDFs off this archive printed out for me, in every case, I had to include the copyright licence from the Archive with the PDF file.

Commercial Book Scanners, no double are just as paranoid, (with good reason)

So be sure its okay to scan that book, because if the book scanner misplaces or damages the book, you wont get much help from the legal system.

Reply to this post
Reply [edit]

Poster: vanRandy Date: Oct 29, 2009 12:17pm
Forum: texts Subject: Line

welcome to my T1 Line.Are you know what is T1 Line?
T1 Line is a...................

T1 line

Reply to this post
Reply [edit]

Poster: Time Traveller Date: Oct 29, 2009 7:45pm
Forum: texts Subject: Re: Line

AVG gave a virus type warning, for the link in this comment.

access it at your own risk.

Reply to this post
Reply [edit]

Poster: garthus Date: Oct 21, 2009 8:08pm
Forum: texts Subject: Re: Question about the Scanning Service

Stephen,

I use a good quality sheet rock knofe, change the blades often. Place the book down on a wooden board preferably unfinished to increase friction so the book will not slide. Sometimes I place a rubber mouse pad under the book to stop sliding. Use a steel rule or straight edge and just run the blade along the straight edge until all of the pages are cut down. Practice on useless materials first, since the PS magazines are fragile, be careful to not tear the pages instead of cutting them.

The way to cut out the pages of a book is to leave the two covers and binding in place. Set the book on a piece of scrap wood on the corner of a table with the bottom cover hanging vertically off the scrap wood and edge of the table. This way there is no chance of cutting the table or cutting off the back cover of the book. Lay a straight edge in from the binding about 1/4" on the first internal page and cut along this guide with a sharp knife, making several passes. You should be able to free up about 50 pages before you need to remove these pages and reset the straight edge. Cutting out the pages this way leaves a smooth surface for re-gluing pages with any wood glue.

A book can be cut apart this way in about two minutes. If you don't want to reglue the pages, reset them in the cover (still completely intact) and add a rubber band. Frequently it is much easier to read loose pages than bound pages.

Re-gluing pages is very simple. Just add some wood glue to the binding and to the binding edge of the pages and stick the pages in the binding. Let set overnight. The new binding will work just as well as before.

Notes: Some pages are printed right to the center "gutter". This makes manually scanning one or two pages at a time impossible. It is also impossible to copy such pages. These pages have to be cut out to be scanned. Secondly, tiny paperback pages are too small to fit in most document feeders. These pages should be scanned manually, two pages at a time with deferred OCR, or copied first and then inserted into the automatic document feeder.

However, cutting and then re-gluing is not workable for library books.

Gerry

Reply to this post
Reply [edit]

Poster: Time Traveller Date: Oct 21, 2009 8:17pm
Forum: texts Subject: Re: Question about the Scanning Service

Matt,

Owning a copy (s) of PS brings up a interesting question knowing its out of copyright. Maybe you had Google Books print out a copy of their digital copy.

Owning one copy, could you not have insisted on a digital copy?

But, certainly, owning one hard copy, of a out of copy right book, paid for to Google Books, should give you the right to download the PDF from Google Books free of further charge.

1, it is out of copyright.
2, placing it on the Archive, means you are not profiting.

But the 64 million dollar question, if you bought this out of copyright book from Google Books, what restrictions of use did you agree to, the second you handed over your hard earned cash?

And can Google Books legally enforce their restrictions?

The Whole Wide World is wondering re this question, as it could be a great way for the Archive to complete missing volumes in its collection, thank you Google Books

And make the lawyers richer

Peter

Reply to this post
Reply [edit]

Poster: garthus Date: Oct 21, 2009 8:40pm
Forum: texts Subject: Re: Question about the Scanning Service

Peter,

Is google actually selling the PDF files or printing out hard copy?

Gerry

Reply to this post
Reply [edit]

Poster: Time Traveller Date: Oct 21, 2009 10:18pm
Forum: texts Subject: Re: Question about the Scanning Service

just selling print-outs of out of copy right books, thats its business model and why it likes its Google Books to be number one of one. Recently it said it would let other companies access its scans so they can sell reprints.

I am not sure if that includes PS, but no reason to think it does not.

So Google tried to use its monopoly on scans of out of copy right books, to create for itself a income stream by selling reprints in proper hard cover binding, and just to ensure the USA Justice Department would overlook its monopolistic actions, you can still read their scanned, out of copyright books, on line, but not download.

Google foresees being able to print a book, and bind it, while you wait. (your local reseller store)its already demonstrated the capability.

So why can you not buy the PDF yourself and print it if Google gives other companies access? (Due to damage control after the outcry about monopolist behaviour)

Google would have to charge the other companies as little as possible, for access to the PDFs, otherwise these companies and us will begin screaming "monopoly"

Legal question,

once you own a copy of a out-of-copyright book, why can you not treat it as a out-of-copy right book? (A= because Goggles logo on every page is copyrighted?)

the laws in the USA must ensure that if Google gives other companies access to its PDF files of out of copyright books, then it must give ALL companies the same right if they ask.

If Google then puts "Unfair" or monopolistic restrictions on what other companies can do with this access, then the USA justice Department should/MUST step in.

Don't forget how Bill Gates got himself into trouble, by preventing OEM PC builders from having great deals on Windows OS if they attempted to get rid off Bill's FREE Internet Explorer and push other browsers to the forefront.

(Come to think of it, Bill made IE free, partly to try and get away with forcing the OEMs not to install other browsers, if he had charged for IE he would certainly then have broken the law when he used Windows to ensure 99% market share with IE))

So, seeing they are out of copy right books that Google reprints to order, one at a time, some group like, (if not the Archive,) can set up a non-profit company and have the same access.

Then this company RESTORES the pages to the original condition they were in before Google got their sticky ink smeared hands onto them and defaced them, and then out of public spiritedness donates them to the Internet Archive (back to out-of-copyright status so Google can not moan) for future historians and others to have and love for ever, just like as if Google Books had never existed, and just been a bad dream.

And other non-profit groups would join in and help too.

It wont happen just like that, but the resulting out cry and legal battle, would very likely result in the following;

Google allowing anybody access to the out of copyright PDFs, and just pay Google only its costs to scan, store, and serve out the out of copyright PDF in question.

And seeing we hope this world exists for the life of this Universe (keeping my options open about other universes)Google must spread out over millions of years the costs of scanning the texts that the libraries gave free access too.

Costs of storage and serving the out of copy right texts are coming down every day, with new technology, already its close to that the costs of cash transactions being more than storage and serving.

On that day, Google will call it a day, and give all the out of copyright PDFs to the Internet Archive for free, seeing they were out of copy right texts, in the first place.

Brewster just orders another 20' container of servers. (maybe Google will help there, as a means of quickly cutting its $$$$$$ losses and liabilities.)

And we will be as if Google Books had never tried taking over mankind's legacy.

Peter

PS today Google announced its getting into selling music, Google Music? and tying up all out of copy right music?

PPs, if Google puts its logo on every page of scanned out of copyright texts, is that no vandalism? And was not the intent of copyright (and patent) laws, to ensure the original creator got just reward for his risk in attempting to creator a work of art, and once the creator got his/her just reward, nobody else was allowed to monopolise the work of art for further reward? Even if its just reprints?


This post was modified by Time Traveller on 2009-10-22 05:18:14

Reply to this post
Reply [edit]

Poster: garthus Date: Oct 21, 2009 7:07pm
Forum: texts Subject: Re: Question about the Scanning Service

Matt,
some of the stuff which I did:

http://www.archive.org/search.php?query=garthus&;sort=-downloads

gerry

Reply to this post
Reply [edit]

Poster: Time Traveller Date: Oct 21, 2009 7:55am
Forum: texts Subject: Re: Question about the Scanning Service

In New Zealand the price of getting a book scanned for you, is lots more than buying a scanner of your own. I assume its the same everywhere that has high wages, but not in low wage countries, e.g, the same countries where call centres and help desks are moving too.

Start looking at scanner prices, lots of people have scanners, and when scanning a book, they turn the pages themselves, your confusion might be because you have assumed you need a special machine than turns the pages automatically.

Peter

Reply to this post
Reply [edit]

Poster: johnvarenda Date: Nov 27, 2009 11:36pm
Forum: texts Subject: Re: Question about the Scanning Service

hi..
I too had the same problem.
But your message is very useful to me....
Thanks....
......................

[url=http://www.e-datapro.net]data entry india[/url]